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pharoah88
    05-Aug-2010 13:08  
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21 DBS, POSB bank accounts hacked [Archive] - SPUG Forums
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i wonder if it is easier to obtain passwords for dbs accounts than ... tell me all 21 were surfing net at cybercafes, airport, libraries? ...
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visorgirl
4th July 2002, 08:24 AM
Originally posted by JeromeZ
actually i think it is of no fault of the customers in this incident. JUSTIFICATIONS (sounds familiar? :D) are as follows:

1) 21 accounts being hacked into is a major incident. it's understandable that it may be end-user's carelessness if it's a single incident - but don't tell me all 21 were surfing net at cybercafes, airport, libraries??? It isn't very common to see people doing internet banking at those public places simply because it doesn't make any sense?!? Any sane fella would do their banking at the ATM!! (Even fund transfer, right?!?)

2) The Bank has indicated that the user not flushing caches, etc may be another possible cause, but excuse me, in order to access the cache in the hard disk, you do need physical access to the computer followed by spending another hour or two to search, decode re-enter the system to perform the hack. Get a person to do this 21 times?

3) If trojan horses and other background spying programs could have been the method of obtaining the passwords, it is still of extreme difficulty to get the exact user ids and pins. Reasons: (a) keystroke logging programs only capture keystrokes - they don't care if you are going to jump around windows. it becomes difficult to distinguish if keystrokes are for DBS Internet Banking or if you are entering the keystrokes into another window. (b) if the 'virus' or trojan horse is aimed at DBS banking by capturing only keys sent to a browser on that site, it has to be a customised program written by the culprit. In this case, I think the mailing list of the culprit is questionable - how did he mass mail his 'work'? if yes, is DBS able to prove this by retrieving this particular email from the victim's PC? DBS SHOULD NOT ACCUSE CUSTOMERS of not having anti-virus or firewall programs without evidence.

4) What about packet sniffing and network tampering? If the culprit was a very IT capable person, could he have sniffed and modified network packets by targeting the bank's servers? Sometimes such tactics work very well - if you play Blizzard's Diablo II, you should know what I'm talking about.

5) Someone has mentioned that the culprit changed the mailing address of accounts before making the transactions, making the victims becoming unaware of unauthorised transactions. An online banking system should have been designed to verify such important changes before allowing further transactions. If this is the case, the bank should be sued for negligance. Realize that the bank has made too many defensive remarks when the above possibility is very high.

Do comment if I'm wrong. I'm laid here well garnished to be a flame bait.

Really, probably the most insightful of all posts on this subject in the "local news" type forums of various Singapore websites that I've read so far.

Beats me why no one has yet (until this post) looked beyond the surface until now. Case of creativity stifled? If you can't look beyond the excuses given, how can you build a creative society?
 
 
pharoah88
    05-Aug-2010 13:03  
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Extracted from the website

DJ MARKET TALK: DBS' HK$651M Payment Unlikely To Hurt Shares
2010-07-15

 [Dow Jones] DBS' (D05.SG) obligation to pay HK$651 million (S$115
million) to many of its customers in Hong Kong who bought Lehman
Brothers-linked structured derivatives products unlikely to have major impact
on share price as provisions already made. According to DBS spokeswoman,
provisions set aside in past several quarters. 2,160 customers, about 60% of
total who bought these complex products through DBS, will be fully reimbursed,
while any payments to remaining investors will be based on merits. "They made a
fair bit of provisions in the first quarter, to the tune of S$355 million. So
if this Hong Kong payment is already provided for, there should not be any
risk," says analyst at foreign brokerage. Stock closed +1.8% at S$14.78
yesterday, likely to track broad market performance, with resistance eyed at
S$15.00, support at 5-day moving average of S$14.38.
 
 
pharoah88
    05-Aug-2010 12:39  
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"very  good  safeguards"  is  prObably a typO  errOr.

the cOrrectiOn  wOuld  prObably  bE

####  very  gOOd  OFFguards  ####

pharoah88      ( Date: 06-Jul-2010 11:27) Posted:

Actually, we have very good safeguards.

We have multiple redundancies built into our systems and it’s actually quite perplexing that the redundancies did not kick in as we normally would expect them to.

DBS Group Holdings

chief executive Piyush Gupta

 

 
pharoah88
    05-Aug-2010 12:31  
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BANK  is  SURE  to make MONEY

When Depositor saves     S$1 at 0.75% interest,

Bank  lends  out  S$19    (CAR at 5%)     at  5.00%.

Bank  lends  out  S$9      (CAR at 10%)   at  5.00%

Bank  lends  out  S$6.67  (CAR at 15%)  at   5.00%

Interest Gross Margin: 

(5.00 - 0.75) / 0.75 = 5.67 Times  or  567%

Deposit Multiplier Gross Margins:

For CAR at 5%,    S$19 / S1 = 19 Times or 1900%

For CAR at 10%,  S$9  /  S1 = 9   Times or 900%

For CAR at 15%,  S$6.67 / S$1 = 6.67 Times or 667%

From the above banking concept,  the bank profit quantum  sEEms  LiKE  the iNfamOus  "LOAN  SHARK"

BANK  DepOsitor  lOOks  "EXTREMELY  EXPLOiTED"  by the Banking System ? ? ? ?

Especially,  when the Bank Deposit had nO iNsurance UNtil  nOt  sO lOng agO On Only S$20,000 LiMiT.   

MAS's Capital Adequacy Ratio Requirement is 10%

 
 
pharoah88
    05-Aug-2010 12:25  
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SiNGAPORE & DBS  OFF-guarded since 2004

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/stdn/std/Front_Page/FJ06Aa01.html 

 
 
 
pharoah88
    05-Aug-2010 11:39  
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lOOks  like

SiNGAPORE  fInancIal  flOOd

at  DBS
 

 
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    05-Aug-2010 11:36  
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A ‘proportionate’ penalty  ... cOntInues

The central bank said in a press release that the incident has revealed “weaknesses in DBS’ technology and operational risk management controls”.

MAS said DBS was partly at fault because of inadequate oversight of how its systems, which were outsourced to IBM, were maintained.

Besides the censure, MAS set out eight measures for the bank to adopt.

Among these, DBS has to diversify and reduce outsourcing risks “so that it does not overly rely on a single service provider”.

DBS must also review its outsourcing vendors’ maintenance processes to ensure their technicians have the requisite level of skill, capability and experience. MAS deputy managing director (financial supervision) Teo Swee Lian said: “We expect all financial institutions to put in place a robust technology risk management framework that will ensure the reliability, resiliency and speedy recoverability of the institution’s systems and infrastructure, whether outsourced or in-house.”

Mr Andrew Sotiropoulos, who is IBM’s Asia Pacific general manager for global technology services, blames the outage squarely on “human error”.

One of IBM’s field engineers and a support centre worker had repeatedly failed to follow the correct procedures during the routine repair job, he said at a joint press conference with DBS.

The pair have been disciplined and removed from direct customer support activity.

As to whether IBM’s existing contracts with DBS would be affected or if compensation was being sought, Mr Gupta said the focus is on “remedial action”.

Since last year, DBS had begun enhancing its system reliability and resilience. That process will now be accelerated, Mr Gupta assured.

Mr David Gledhill, managing director and head of DBS technology and operations, said the bank would “refresh” its existing systems to minimise glitches. Staff will go for weekly technology forums to stay abreast of proper processes.

MAS also directed DBS to “improve its customer communication process and ensure timely communication with stakeholders with immediate effect”.

To that end, DBS said it will also improve its monitoring tools so there can be earlier alerts about possible failures.

 
 
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BOARD  and  MANGEMENT

are  just  EMPLOYEES  ? ? ? ?

OTHER  PEOPLE's  MONEY [OPM]  ATTITUDE  ? ? ? ?
 
 
pharoah88
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Mixed reactions to CENSURE

MAS’ action against DBS Bank, for what it described as “significant inconvenience” caused to customers, has drawn mixed reactions.

Moody’s analyst Christine Kuo noted while DBS had not been hit with financial penalties, it did not get off lightly, either.

“The fact that MAS has taken action against DBS and made these details public shows that the authorities are taking the matter seriously,” she said. “DBS will have to show that it has taken steps ... in areas MAS wants it to strengthen.”

She added that the blow to DBS’ reputation would have hit the bank hard enough.

But Mr Ken Pereira, chief executive of IT firm Oneberry Technologies, felt DBS should have received heavier punishment.

Pointing out that some of his staff were LATE for WORK on the day of the incident because they did not have money for travel, he said financial penalties should have been imposed as businesses should not suffer because of inadequacies within the bank.

Human resource manager Nancy Lim, 49, felt the bank should compensate affected customers. “It’s not enough to apologise and say you take responsibility for the mistake,” she said.

Teo Xuanwei



pharoah88      ( Date: 05-Aug-2010 10:54) Posted:

 

A ‘proportionate’ penalty for DBS

MAS opts not to impose financial penalties

Teo Xuanwei

xuanwei@mediacorp.com.sg

SINGAPORE

Yesterday, the Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS) opted for a third — and what the regulator described as “proportionate” — tool at its disposal when it asked DBS to set aside an additional $230 million to cover operational risks, following the system outage that crippled the bank’s teller machines, credit card and online banking services for seven hours on July 5.

In reply to MediaCorp’s queries, including why it decided against fining the bank, MAS said: “Banks are subject to financial penalties, regulatory sanctions, supervisory actions or reprimands if they fail to meet MAS regulatory or supervisory requirements. MAS believes the regulatory actions taken against DBS are proportionate to the nature, severity and impact of the incident.”

MAS’ “supervisory action” came with a censure, which DBS chief executive officer Piyush Gupta accepted. He also assured customers that even with the additional provision, DBS has enough capital to set aside — “comfortably above the required levels”.

Following the requirement, DBS’ total capital adequacy ratio will fall by 0.2 percentage points to 16.3 per cent. In Singapore, MAS sets a minimum adequacy ratio of 10 per cent.— It could have imposed financial penalties or enforced sanctions against DBS Bank to deal with the first case here of a bank failing to observe the Internet banking and technology risk management guidelines.


 
 
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A ‘proportionate’ penalty for DBS

MAS opts not to impose financial penalties

Teo Xuanwei

xuanwei@mediacorp.com.sg

SINGAPORE

Yesterday, the Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS) opted for a third — and what the regulator described as “proportionate” — tool at its disposal when it asked DBS to set aside an additional $230 million to cover operational risks, following the system outage that crippled the bank’s teller machines, credit card and online banking services for seven hours on July 5.

In reply to MediaCorp’s queries, including why it decided against fining the bank, MAS said: “Banks are subject to financial penalties, regulatory sanctions, supervisory actions or reprimands if they fail to meet MAS regulatory or supervisory requirements. MAS believes the regulatory actions taken against DBS are proportionate to the nature, severity and impact of the incident.”

MAS’ “supervisory action” came with a censure, which DBS chief executive officer Piyush Gupta accepted. He also assured customers that even with the additional provision, DBS has enough capital to set aside — “comfortably above the required levels”.

Following the requirement, DBS’ total capital adequacy ratio will fall by 0.2 percentage points to 16.3 per cent. In Singapore, MAS sets a minimum adequacy ratio of 10 per cent.— It could have imposed financial penalties or enforced sanctions against DBS Bank to deal with the first case here of a bank failing to observe the Internet banking and technology risk management guidelines.

 

 
pharoah88
    05-Aug-2010 10:52  
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chinastar      ( Date: 04-Aug-2010 08:12) Posted:

two is enough.

pharoah88      ( Date: 03-Aug-2010 09:22) Posted:



frOm  MM's  Banking HiNT

UOB  wIll take over OCBC and DBS ?


 
 
Isolator
    04-Aug-2010 14:25  
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Market should decide on whether bank need to merge or not, and not just because  someone say so... Smiley
 
 
niuyear
    04-Aug-2010 13:45  
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Insurance companies are very agressive over their Investments products and they are selling more of the investment products, do you notice that?

Why cant insurance comanies  just stick to their basic products and not cross over to the banks' boundaries .This makes people very confused over hundred and thousands of SIMILAR product   that are offered by both the  banks and the insurance companies. 

 

P/s - Is time for MAS to relook at the basic functions of a bank and insurance compay.
 
 
niuyear
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Pros and cons having only 2 banks.

 

Good:

1) Government easy to control the bank holders' a/cs .   Is the one way to curb  Terrorists' activities.

 

Bad :

1) people has lesser choice to  make comparisons of interest rates or choose their loan packages. They will resort to borrowing from Foreign banks.

 

 

 

 



chinastar      ( Date: 04-Aug-2010 08:12) Posted:

two is enough.

pharoah88      ( Date: 03-Aug-2010 09:22) Posted:



frOm  MM's  Banking HiNT

UOB  wIll take over OCBC and DBS ?


 
 
pharoah88
    04-Aug-2010 12:47  
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SiNGAPORE  iNTEGRATED  WORLD BANK  [SiWB]

SiNGAPORE's  ONLY  WORLD  CLASS  BANK

 

 
chinastar
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two is enough.

pharoah88      ( Date: 03-Aug-2010 09:22) Posted:



frOm  MM's  Banking HiNT

UOB  wIll take over OCBC and DBS ?

 
 
pharoah88
    03-Aug-2010 19:50  
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Sony’s issues are Japan’s, too

today Tuesday August 3, 2010 16

And not a moment too soon, considering how Apple and Samsung now dominate an industry Sony owned before it flirted with zombie status.

Sony’s return to profit in the first quarter would seem to have broader significance.

Many in Tokyo say that as Sony goes, so goes Japan Inc.

That’s where things get dicey. There are three reasons not to get too excited here:

1) A weakening global economy, 2) a strong yen, and 3) Sony’s reluctance to change.

The global slump is a big challenge for a company that generates more than 70 per cent of revenue outside Japan. It’s a concern, too, for a highly-developed economy that still puts manufacturing ahead of everything else. Some economists, such as Paul Krugman, are even predicting a depression.

Something is afoot in Japan that explains why the central bank is getting so little traction with near-zero interest rates.

This so-called Liquidity Trap that plagues Japan, Krugman wrote in a blog posting last Thursday, is becoming a global phenomenon.

The latest sign that Japan’s monetary wheels are stuck in the mud comes from the Tokyo interbank offered rate, or Tibor.

The rate that helps determine costs for about ¥137 trillion ($2.14 trillion) in domestic lending suggests banks are setting benchmark rates at about double what they charge each other for short-term loans.

This is really a low-grade scandal. No clear villains, exactly, but some banks are rigging interbank rates to generate better spreads. What’s good for their quarterly earnings statement is bad for the economy.

Officials at the United States Federal Reserve would be wise to track the Bank of Japan’s chronic inability to turn liquidity into fresh lending.

# Are  SiNGAPORE BANKS in sImIlIar  predIcament ? #

Sony’s slew of new products, be it 3D television or motion-sensing controllers for its game platforms, don’t trump a worsening economy. Factory output dropped 1.5 per cent in June, while the jobless rate climbed for a fourth straight month to 5.3 per cent, figures showed last week.

That gets us to the yen. Given Sony’s global exposure, it loses about ¥7 billion of annual operating profit for every ¥1 decline in the value of the euro and ¥2 billion for every ¥1 the US dollar weakens. Late last week, the yen strengthened against all of the 16 most-active currencies and reached its highest level this year versus the US dollar.

# SAME  as  SINGAPORE's  STRONG EXCHANGE RATE and near ZERO iNTEREST RATE  pOlIcy ? #

Not a good scenario for Sony, or Japan in general. Japan has avoided large-scale government intervention to weaken the yen since 2004. Given Prime Minister Naoto Kan’s slumping approval ratings, it wouldn’t be surprising to see the Finance Ministry spring into action.Sony’s funk may be ending. Five years of shaking up the Japanese bellwether are beginning to pay off for chief executive officer Howard Stringer.

WHITHER  INNOVATION?

Stringer’s biggest weakness is innovation. Sony makes lots of decent stuff that everyone else makes.

Unless you are a video-game enthusiast, Sony hasn’t come out with a must-have product in many years. Every time Apple introduces a new game-changer, Japanese investors are left wondering what has become of the creator of the Walkman. Sony has gone from being the one and only to just one of many.

Since taking the helm in June 2005, Stringer has failed to marry Sony’s vast entertainment content with its hardware.

In February 2008, I even argued that Apple CEO Steve Jobs should just buy Sony. Apple needs music and movies to sell to iPod, iPad and iPhone users; Sony has it in spades.

Such a deal would happen over the dead bodies of many Japanese shareholders. And yet a surge of fresh innovation is needed for Sony to thrive. Firing thousands of workers and shutting factories will only get Sony so far.

It appears reluctant to make the huge changes that stand between it and steady profits.

At times, Stringer has displayed an impressive understanding of what ails Sony.

Take company culture. He put the staff of Sony’s game units in the same building with everyone else in central Tokyo to increase cooperation. The move raised eyebrows.

More such moves are needed to make the company relevant.

The urgency to do that is increasing as major economies slow anew. Krugman’s depression concerns are the talk of markets in Japan, and many policy makers are mentioning them in private. Krugman’s narrative about developed nations following Japan into a liquidity crisis is, perhaps, influencing decisions more than the views of his peers.

That phenomenon will boomerang back on executives in Tokyo.

Corporate Japan remains maddeningly stubborn about sticking with its post-war business model, the anchor of which is exports. As US growth slows and Europe’s troubles deepen, Japanese companies can expect less demand for their wares.

All the high-fiving going on in Tokyo over Sony’s profit outlook ignores the dreadful state of the global economy. It glazes over how much more needs to be done to resurrect Sony’s greatness. Japan’s, too. 

BLOOMBERG

William Pesek is a Bloomberg News columnist. The opinions expressed are his own.

Willi am Pesek

 
 
pharoah88
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At UOB  personal owner is in the Board and Management

nO  HAZARDOUS  RiSK  TAKiNG  usIng 

OTHER PEOPLE's MONEY  [OPM]  ?

nO  iRRESPONSiBLE  UNdertakIngs ?
 
 
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