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icetomato
    18-Nov-2010 01:49  
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There is no right or wrong trading styles. Each can help you earn but can also cause you losses. Holding is not totally wrong, just that main thing is not everyone can afford to do that during a bear market. No need to argue lah..... Zzz.
 
 
iPunter
    18-Nov-2010 01:39  
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Which is a better strategy?...

     A) Buy at a high price and hold for a long time...  or

          B) Buy at a low price and hold...

                 Playing stocks is all a matter of timing


                       The choice is obvious...

                              Like they say,  always "let the market come to you".. .Smiley


 
 
natureman
    18-Nov-2010 01:20  
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HAHHAHAHA All readers of this Forum do exercise your own wise judgements on all of our postings in here , what i said is based on my past trading experiences and as i had said those who short the counters this few days will definitely be very ANGRY with me spilling their HIDDEN AGENDA ! I was infact so amused by these people's responses that i was laughing till i literally falls of my chair . Some lamer even try to trap me by asking what to BUY these 2 days i might as well be a PAID analysts instead ? Yea talking is CHeap but ain't your responses to my postings be more redundant ? These people have their own agenda infact as a matter of facts if you are selling it please sell those potential counters to me i am willing TO BUY it - but i will still not tell you which counters i FANCY , why ? Because in STOCK markets NO one is a FRIEND or a FOE . It everyman for himself . All i can said to readers of this forum do read up more good books on Stock Investing and do a historical check on Longterm Investing Profits , you will get what i mean , you do not have to TRUST me , neither do you have to TRUST this people who had been veteran posters of this forum just because they had been here for long does not means what they said is right? Anyway This SHORTERS are going to LOSE their Undies starting from NOW , their PRICE suppressing will ends this moment - Too bad The BULL are coming Back again . and READERS Take NOTE , Dow Jones index now Going UP ! STI and HSI will Reacts later ! READERS and Fellow Retailers Do not TRUST anyone on this Forum and also Do not TRUST ME as well ! SMILE Everyone ~ BxUxLxL Signal

alexchia01      ( Date: 17-Nov-2010 23:19) Posted:

I don't know if you get your financial independence through the stock market.

Maybe you come from a well off family where money is not a concern. It does not matter if market goes up or down because you'll always have money coming from somewhere to keep on Buying.

I really have doubt over your strategy to Buy and Hold at this High Market and volatile times.

Warren Buffett's Buy and Hold strategy is Buying at the Low and Hold as long as the company is doing well. Warren never ask others to Buy High and Hold forever.

Let me ask you these questions... Do you think the stock market is Low now? Is the market low enough to start Buying?

If you want to pay it forward and contribute back to the society, than tell us what you are Buying this coming 2 Days.

Talk is cheap. Show us what you really got.



natureman      ( Date: 17-Nov-2010 14:02) Posted:

I have been an avid investor and trader for more than 16 years and had gain financial independence after 5 years of trading . All i can say is that whatever Trading be it forex , stocks , futures , about 70% is psychology ! The reason for me to Post on the internet is because i want to Pay It forward and contributing back to the society what no one can teach me and i would like to share it with you guys about the current market which is creating a Superficial Big HOO HAA . Infact now is the best time to invest when others are running scared. I have always found the best investment opportunities occur when everyone is saying that the world is falling. When ALL THIS doom and gloom reports are rampant in the market, you are probably near a market bottom trend , don't ask me when to Buy in you have to spot it yourself . i would say this coming 2 days is a good day to shop for it and HOLD . Genting SP was way below $1 back then where everyone being so negative and had hit and all time high above $2 this year and will continue to move on still . I had studied many counters infact alot are still undervalued and overSOld . So pick it up while it is cheap and HOLD , i say again BUY and HOLD you will see profits if you choose the right counters congrats , i cannot reveal much which is the ones for you to BUY but all i can say is that this week is one of the best time this year to BUY in on STABLE counter with potential yields and developments . Anyway I can see alot of Shortists trying to short various top 20s counters last week and monday which is STUPIDITY at it's finest as the probality ratio was way too low to win , let's hope you don't get caught without your undies and crying for your mummy :oops: [b]A NOTE for you guys as to how BBs analyse you :[/b] They will study the trend and market depth every seconds and will PLAY mind GAMES with you retailers . Do not queue your ORDERS when you intend to SELL early in the morning because you will put up an advantage positions for them to continue to suppress the PRICE down and easier for them to know when to SHORT . Sad to say you got to monitor constantly in order to sell at your own Tp . This is one way they study the market and suppress the price - oh gosh the shorters will be very ANGRY with me now for spilling one of their secret stradegy . Well, I hope that this post helps you with your stock buying purchases! Remember that temporary market events can create great buying opportunities. Till then Stay tuned FOLKS . B x U X L XL coming . SMILE ~


 

 
CheongCK
    18-Nov-2010 01:03  
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Sorry -- I long term investor are now since 2007 to Now are now had Earned from our long term investment to Retirement Cash.

Now to double it up for our children.

Genting Singapore and Cosco

Remember the Face below ... He will be around till STI hit at least 4000

Those who DEFY Expectation will Fuel the Market

GOOD LUCK! TO US ALL! LOL 



iPunter      ( Date: 18-Nov-2010 00:36) Posted:

Long-term holders should tell us how much money they have lost...

    In this way, newbies can have the benefit of learning something useful..   Smiley



beruangface      ( Date: 18-Nov-2010 00:11) Posted:

obviously natureman got stucked with a lot of ipo and stocks and dont have the guts to cut lost :D


 
 
Noob79
    18-Nov-2010 00:49  
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GenSP did not help me earn $$$$ leh.... this 3rd Quarter,  Stupid GenSP is my worst performer.... making me lose $$$....I am waiting for re-entry for my Cosco/ Yangzijiang and Noble .... Talk about GenSP oni make me angry.... look at LVS performance during Sept to Nov, u will noe.... Damn GenSP $%^%&^%



beruangface      ( Date: 18-Nov-2010 00:28) Posted:

must u only switch between LVS and Genting SP? haha 

Noob79      ( Date: 18-Nov-2010 00:20) Posted:

Golden opportunties.... best time to buy LVS now... thinking of disposing some Genting SP if not earning money tml........


 
 
Noob79
    18-Nov-2010 00:41  
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O.Olll Long Term lose money!!!!! IMPOSSIBLE if u start at 2009... u will be now laughing to the bank.... or should have recover from the 2007 crisis liao

iPunter      ( Date: 18-Nov-2010 00:36) Posted:

Long-term holders should tell us how much money they have lost...

    In this way, newbies can have the benefit of learning something useful..   Smiley



beruangface      ( Date: 18-Nov-2010 00:11) Posted:

obviously natureman got stucked with a lot of ipo and stocks and dont have the guts to cut lost :D


 

 
iPunter
    18-Nov-2010 00:36  
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Long-term holders should tell us how much money they have lost...

    In this way, newbies can have the benefit of learning something useful..   Smiley



beruangface      ( Date: 18-Nov-2010 00:11) Posted:

obviously natureman got stucked with a lot of ipo and stocks and dont have the guts to cut lost :D

 
 
beruangface
    18-Nov-2010 00:28  
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must u only switch between LVS and Genting SP? haha 

Noob79      ( Date: 18-Nov-2010 00:20) Posted:

Golden opportunties.... best time to buy LVS now... thinking of disposing some Genting SP if not earning money tml........

 
 
Noob79
    18-Nov-2010 00:20  
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Golden opportunties.... best time to buy LVS now... thinking of disposing some Genting SP if not earning money tml........
 
 
beruangface
    18-Nov-2010 00:11  
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obviously natureman got stucked with a lot of ipo and stocks and dont have the guts to cut lost :D
 

 
elton81
    17-Nov-2010 23:49  
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totally agree :)

alexchia01      ( Date: 17-Nov-2010 23:19) Posted:

I don't know if you get your financial independence through the stock market.

Maybe you come from a well off family where money is not a concern. It does not matter if market goes up or down because you'll always have money coming from somewhere to keep on Buying.

I really have doubt over your strategy to Buy and Hold at this High Market and volatile times.

Warren Buffett's Buy and Hold strategy is Buying at the Low and Hold as long as the company is doing well. Warren never ask others to Buy High and Hold forever.

Let me ask you these questions... Do you think the stock market is Low now? Is the market low enough to start Buying?

If you want to pay it forward and contribute back to the society, than tell us what you are Buying this coming 2 Days.

Talk is cheap. Show us what you really got.



natureman      ( Date: 17-Nov-2010 14:02) Posted:

I have been an avid investor and trader for more than 16 years and had gain financial independence after 5 years of trading . All i can say is that whatever Trading be it forex , stocks , futures , about 70% is psychology ! The reason for me to Post on the internet is because i want to Pay It forward and contributing back to the society what no one can teach me and i would like to share it with you guys about the current market which is creating a Superficial Big HOO HAA . Infact now is the best time to invest when others are running scared. I have always found the best investment opportunities occur when everyone is saying that the world is falling. When ALL THIS doom and gloom reports are rampant in the market, you are probably near a market bottom trend , don't ask me when to Buy in you have to spot it yourself . i would say this coming 2 days is a good day to shop for it and HOLD . Genting SP was way below $1 back then where everyone being so negative and had hit and all time high above $2 this year and will continue to move on still . I had studied many counters infact alot are still undervalued and overSOld . So pick it up while it is cheap and HOLD , i say again BUY and HOLD you will see profits if you choose the right counters congrats , i cannot reveal much which is the ones for you to BUY but all i can say is that this week is one of the best time this year to BUY in on STABLE counter with potential yields and developments . Anyway I can see alot of Shortists trying to short various top 20s counters last week and monday which is STUPIDITY at it's finest as the probality ratio was way too low to win , let's hope you don't get caught without your undies and crying for your mummy :oops: [b]A NOTE for you guys as to how BBs analyse you :[/b] They will study the trend and market depth every seconds and will PLAY mind GAMES with you retailers . Do not queue your ORDERS when you intend to SELL early in the morning because you will put up an advantage positions for them to continue to suppress the PRICE down and easier for them to know when to SHORT . Sad to say you got to monitor constantly in order to sell at your own Tp . This is one way they study the market and suppress the price - oh gosh the shorters will be very ANGRY with me now for spilling one of their secret stradegy . Well, I hope that this post helps you with your stock buying purchases! Remember that temporary market events can create great buying opportunities. Till then Stay tuned FOLKS . B x U X L XL coming . SMILE ~


 
 
iPunter
    17-Nov-2010 23:43  
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Re: Natureman .. "... I have always found the best investment opportunities occur when everyone is saying that the world is falling..."

You may be right to say things like that when the market has hit the bottom.

    But can you  know for sure this is the bottom?

         Can the economies be heading lower than now...

               namely slow growth or even no growth?

                   That aside, if we are serious about paying forward,

                        don't you think it is better to do it by warning people,

                            esp newbies, about the dangers of the stock market?

                                 Since newbies invariably buy stocks at high prices,

                                     asking them to hold while prices ae falling is to my mind

                                          the height of irresponsibility!  Smiley 


 
 
alexchia01
    17-Nov-2010 23:19  
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I don't know if you get your financial independence through the stock market.

Maybe you come from a well off family where money is not a concern. It does not matter if market goes up or down because you'll always have money coming from somewhere to keep on Buying.

I really have doubt over your strategy to Buy and Hold at this High Market and volatile times.

Warren Buffett's Buy and Hold strategy is Buying at the Low and Hold as long as the company is doing well. Warren never ask others to Buy High and Hold forever.

Let me ask you these questions... Do you think the stock market is Low now? Is the market low enough to start Buying?

If you want to pay it forward and contribute back to the society, than tell us what you are Buying this coming 2 Days.

Talk is cheap. Show us what you really got.



natureman      ( Date: 17-Nov-2010 14:02) Posted:

I have been an avid investor and trader for more than 16 years and had gain financial independence after 5 years of trading . All i can say is that whatever Trading be it forex , stocks , futures , about 70% is psychology ! The reason for me to Post on the internet is because i want to Pay It forward and contributing back to the society what no one can teach me and i would like to share it with you guys about the current market which is creating a Superficial Big HOO HAA . Infact now is the best time to invest when others are running scared. I have always found the best investment opportunities occur when everyone is saying that the world is falling. When ALL THIS doom and gloom reports are rampant in the market, you are probably near a market bottom trend , don't ask me when to Buy in you have to spot it yourself . i would say this coming 2 days is a good day to shop for it and HOLD . Genting SP was way below $1 back then where everyone being so negative and had hit and all time high above $2 this year and will continue to move on still . I had studied many counters infact alot are still undervalued and overSOld . So pick it up while it is cheap and HOLD , i say again BUY and HOLD you will see profits if you choose the right counters congrats , i cannot reveal much which is the ones for you to BUY but all i can say is that this week is one of the best time this year to BUY in on STABLE counter with potential yields and developments . Anyway I can see alot of Shortists trying to short various top 20s counters last week and monday which is STUPIDITY at it's finest as the probality ratio was way too low to win , let's hope you don't get caught without your undies and crying for your mummy :oops: [b]A NOTE for you guys as to how BBs analyse you :[/b] They will study the trend and market depth every seconds and will PLAY mind GAMES with you retailers . Do not queue your ORDERS when you intend to SELL early in the morning because you will put up an advantage positions for them to continue to suppress the PRICE down and easier for them to know when to SHORT . Sad to say you got to monitor constantly in order to sell at your own Tp . This is one way they study the market and suppress the price - oh gosh the shorters will be very ANGRY with me now for spilling one of their secret stradegy . Well, I hope that this post helps you with your stock buying purchases! Remember that temporary market events can create great buying opportunities. Till then Stay tuned FOLKS . B x U X L XL coming . SMILE ~

 
 
rabbitfoot
    17-Nov-2010 23:11  
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Tomorrow morning 9.01 gonna grab GenS,  only chance to board this fella
 
 
icetomato
    17-Nov-2010 23:09  
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bladez, the news is found here:

http://www.todayonline.com/Business/EDC101117-0000087/MAS-widens-S$-band--Source



bladez87      ( Date: 17-Nov-2010 22:16) Posted:

can someone verify the news from pharaoh. i cant find on MAS, yahoo news, bloomberg. dow jones newswire need subscription right

 

 
icetomato
    17-Nov-2010 22:51  
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Yes, iApple's words are very true. Buy and hold is not the wisest thing to do especially if you bought at sky high prices. It's important to know when to cut loss or take profit as I always believed. I have seen people around me not knowing to cut loss and lost nearly everything they have (bankruptcy, profits turned to losses, etc). Also, it's not good to be over reliant on others to help you make buy/sell decisions... For obvious reasons of coz...
 
 
bladez87
    17-Nov-2010 22:16  
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can someone verify the news from pharaoh. i cant find on MAS, yahoo news, bloomberg. dow jones newswire need subscription right
 
 
iApple
    17-Nov-2010 22:12  
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iPunter...thanks for sharing the same view...indeed, i learnt a lot from you.

I am sorry that I was a bit angry when i wrote my previous post. I was so annoyed by the irresponsible advice given here..

I'd friends and colleagues Kana BURNT...due to their traders'/so-called-share-god's advice...
when there were losses incurred (in down trend), their traders and share god will just simply say,

" Oh, those shares I suggested, they were meant for BUY & HOLD"
I was pretty mad about this irresponsible " BUY & HOLD" ...

Quote from iPunter

"Holding in a downtrend  is only for those rich  people who will

      not have to worry when they lose a lot of money while holding.

          But for those less well-off,  asking them to hold (in a downtrend)"

This is very true!when you don't even have money to pay for ur meals...i ask you how to HOLD?

Let's put it this way...before you guys listen/consider other people investing profolio/strategy. You must know the followings:

1st) different ppl got different capital power,

2nd)different risk appetite (in term of loss, risk&return)

3rd) different holding period/ required payback period.

So, whatever it makes he/she successful, does not mean it will suit your investing strategy. Do your homework. Read more books and newspaper. Understand the markets (US,China & Europe). Specialize in a few industries that you like (e.g shipping,commodities etc)and arm with the knowledge. It's the best way to success.

I am not a sifu...but just cannot stand irresponsible advice...sending poor people/small fish to hell with a smile...(it's so un-ethical)

Going for a jog n prepare for SCB run. ciaos.



iPunter      ( Date: 17-Nov-2010 20:40) Posted:

Sifu iApple's post is very good.

Holding in a downtrend  is only for those rich  people who will

      not have to worry when they lose a lot of money while holding.

          But for those less well-off,  asking them to hold (in a downtrend) is not a good thing to do.

              Because one can never tell how much more they will be losing by holding on.

                  A more sensible advice is to suggest they cut loss when it is still a small loss. Smiley



iApple      ( Date: 17-Nov-2010 19:03) Posted:

you guys are very funny...

Buy and HOLD....

Did you read through the forum...

how many of them can't sleep during the night? Bec' of they HOLD the wrong ones right now!

If you really PAY IT forward...tell them to cut loss at what price.. and which particular stock to buy in at what price? what is the holding period!

Stop saying BUY n HOLD...this sentence... appear in any investment knowledge web site

P.S> even you don't queue in early in the morning ...they already know what price to SHORT. Give you an example on last friday... the pre opening ASK is 2.15 (qty> 1,000 lots). It opened at ? 2.10 ...you think they care abt the small fish queue at what price? STOP DREAMING.

 



 
 
iknownothing
    17-Nov-2010 22:10  
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thats always for my case haha...chill but if u eye on a counter focus on it..u will eventually know the price must keep ur head cool..dont care ppl reccomendation base on ur own judgement and use forum as reference not decision for u to buy/sell

bladez87      ( Date: 17-Nov-2010 21:36) Posted:

you see ah.

theory wise, market can only go 3 ways

up down side. so 33% chance it will go 1 way, or 66% chance you will breakeven or go up. or breakeven and go down. so basically you got 1/3 chance to win or lose.

however, when we buy stocks, that doesnt happen! i tend to lose 90% of the time!

so unfair. don buy it go up, buy liao it go down. 100% inversely related.



iPunter      ( Date: 17-Nov-2010 21:09) Posted:



Re Bladez87..

     That is because you've finally realised how easy it to lose money in the market...

          while it is difficult to make money...

                or break-even.. Smiley




 
 
bladez87
    17-Nov-2010 21:57  
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can anyone verify this news? i cant find it online. thanks


pharoah88      ( Date: 17-Nov-2010 12:28) Posted:

MAS widens S$ band: Source

SINGAPORE

This compares with the 2 to 2.5 per cent range that the MAS had allowed before targeting a stronger Singapore dollar in a monetary tightening policy on Oct 14, the source told

“The new bandwidth means the MAS will tolerate a stronger local dollar,” the person said.

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The source, who declined to be named, did not specify how far the MAS would now allow the US dollar to fall before intervening to curb the Singapore dollar’s strength.

The MAS uses the exchange rate, rather than interest rates, as its main monetary policy tool because foreign trade dwarfs the island’s small domestic economy.

In last month’s semi-annual policy review, the central bank said it was “slightly” widening the band and steepening its slope against a trade-weighted basket of currencies.

The central bank cited “volatility across international financial markets” as a reason for the policy change, which allows the local dollar to strengthen more against the US currency.

The MAS had tightened its policy at its previous meeting in April, when it targeted a “modest and gradual appreciation” for the currency, changing its previous policy of zero appreciation.

The US dollar has been sliding against Asian currencies this year as the region’s strong economic recovery has attracted heavy investment and as loose US monetary policy has prompted investors to seek higher yields in emerging markets.

A number of Asian central banks, including the MAS, have intervened in the currency market this year but the US Federal Reserve’s decision this month to buy US$600 billion ($779 billion) in Treasuries to bolster the US economy has forced Asia to accept further US dollar weakness.

“The MAS believes interventions should only be used in highly disorderly movements,” the source said.

“Otherwise they don’t work because you can’t fight the market. Export-dependent Asian countries must learn to live with stronger currencies.” — The Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS) will now allow the local currency to move as much as 3.5 per cent against an undisclosed basket of currencies after the central bank widened its trading band, a person familiar with the situation said yesterday.Dow Jones Newswires.DOW JONES

Move to mean that central bank will tolerate stronger local currency