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go for 50/50 or all or nothing....now they say this :
Moody's Investors Service said Tuesday that the United States will retain its triple-A bond rating following passage of legislation to boost the debt ceiling. But the agency put a " negative" outlook on the rating, raising the specter of a future downgrade.
louis001 ( Date: 01-Aug-2011 09:39) Posted:
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COUNCIL OF 13 - SUPER CONGRESS
Debt ceiling negotiators think they’ve hit on a solution to address the debt ceiling impasse and the public’s unwillingness to let go of benefits such as Medicare and Social Security that have been earned over a lifetime of work: Create a new Congress.
This “Super Congress,” composed of members of both chambers and both parties, isn’t mentioned anywhere in the Constitution, but would be granted extraordinary new powers. Under a plan put forth by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and his counterpart Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), legislation to lift the debt ceiling would be accompanied by the creation of a 12-member panel made up of 12 lawmakers — six from each chamber and six from each party.
Legislation approved by the Super Congress — which some on Capitol Hill are calling the “super committee” — would then be fast-tracked through both chambers, where it couldn’t be amended by simple, regular lawmakers, who’d have the ability only to cast an up or down vote. With the weight of both leaderships behind it, a product originated by the Super Congress would have a strong chance of moving through the little Congress and quickly becoming law. A Super Congress would be less accountable than the system that exists today, and would find it easier to strip the public of popular benefits. Negotiators are currently considering cutting the mortgage deduction and tax credits for retirement savings, for instance, extremely popular policies that would be difficult to slice up using the traditional legislative process.
House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has made a Super Congress a central part of his last-minute proposal, multiple news reports and people familiar with his plan say…Obama has shown himself to be a fan of the commission approach to cutting social programs and entitlements.
Think the US of America have finally learn something from us ..... Our governmental style ...
Cheer
http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/01/news/economy/Debt_ceiling_social_security/index.htm?iid=Lead
Social Security is safe...for now.
The debt ceiling deal hammered out on Sunday doesn't touch the entitlement program in the first round of spending cuts that total more than $900 billion over 10 years.
What happens after that would remain to be seen. A committee of Republicans and Democrats would be tasked with finding another $1.5 trillion in savings, and changes to Social Security could be part of the deal.
If the committee fails to reach agreement, however, automatic cuts kick in and Social Security would be exempt.
Meanwhile, a whole host of safety net programs could also be whacked as part of the debt agreement, which was approved Monday night by the House. The Senate is scheduled to vote Tuesday.
teeth53 ( Date: 02-Aug-2011 08:51) Posted:
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Beli atau jual pun boleh...
Sebab bila main saham,
mesti mahu untong...
Beli dan jual pun sama2 betul lah...
(Meaning:- Buying or selling are equally right)
Hulumas ( Date: 02-Aug-2011 09:07) Posted:
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iPunter ( Date: 01-Aug-2011 08:48) Posted:
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Now they say : " Washington strikes a dumb deal for the economy" ....Business Times.
NEW YORK (AP) -- Leave it to the economy to stop a debt-deal rally.Many investors remained concerned about the direction of the economy. A report from the Institute of Supply Management said that U.S. manufacturing barely grew last month. And on Friday, the government said that so far this year the economy has grown at its slowest pace since the recession ended in June 2009.The manufacturing index was the first major economic report released in July. Analysts had expected it to show that the economy was expanding." This was a shock to the market," said Phil Orlando, chief strategist at Federated Investors. " It clearly offset the emotional strength that we saw in the open from this tentative budget compromise."
http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/01/news/economy/debt_ceiling_breakdown_of_deal/index.htm?iid=HP_Highlight
Debt ceiling: What they're voting on...
The deal would keep the country out of default and reduce deficits by at least $2.1 trillion over a decade.
Whether the deal might also avert a first-ever credit downgrade for the United States is not clear, since ratings agency Standard & Poor's indicated it was looking for a credible, bipartisan plan that had at least $4 trillion of debt reduction.
Plan includes no tax or entitlement reform measures up front, although theoretically it leaves the door open to both.
A debt ceiling increase of between $2.1 trillion and $2.4 trillion: The framework will raise the debt ceiling immediately by $400 billion, then after September by another $500 billion.
After deep cuts are enacted by the end of the year, it will be increased by another $1.2 trillion to $1.5 trillion.
All told, the increases should cover the Treasury's borrowing needs until 2013.
Read the legislation - Full text
AND SO IT HAS BEGUN.........
http://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheet-victory-bipartisan-compromise-economy-american-people?utm_source=wh.gov& utm_medium=shorturl& utm_campaign=shorturl
- Removes the cloud of uncertainty over our economy at this critical time, by ensuring that no one will be able to use the threat of the nation’s first default now, or in only a few months, for political gain
- Locks in a down payment on significant deficit reduction, with savings from both domestic and Pentagon spending, and is designed to protect crucial investments like aid for college students
- Establishes a bipartisan process to seek a balanced approach to larger deficit reduction through entitlement and tax reform
- Deploys an enforcement mechanism that gives all sides an incentive to reach bipartisan compromise on historic deficit reduction, while protecting Social Security, Medicare beneficiaries and low-income programs
- Stays true to the President’s commitment to shared sacrifice by preventing the middle class, seniors and those who are most vulnerable from shouldering the burden of deficit reduction. The President did not agree to any entitlement reforms outside of the context of a bipartisan committee process where tax reform will be on the table and the President will insist on shared sacrifice from the most well-off and those with the most indefensible tax breaks.
- Immediately enacted 10-year discretionary spending caps generating nearly $1 trillion in deficit reduction balanced between defense and non-defense spending.
- President authorized to increase the debt limit by at least $2.1 trillion, eliminating the need for further increases until 2013.
- Bipartisan committee process tasked with identifying an additional $1.5 trillion in deficit reduction, including from entitlement and tax reform. Committee is required to report legislation by November 23, 2011, which receives fast-track protections. Congress is required to vote on Committee recommendations by December 23, 2011.
- Enforcement mechanism established to force all parties – Republican and Democrat – to agree to balanced deficit reduction. If Committee fails, enforcement mechanism will trigger spending reductions beginning in 2013 – split 50/50 between domestic and defense spending. Enforcement protects Social Security, Medicare beneficiaries, and low-income programs from any cuts.
- Deal Removes Cloud of Uncertainty Until 2013, Eliminating Key Headwind on the Economy: Independent analysts, economists, and ratings agencies have all made clear that a short-term debt limit increase would create unacceptable economic uncertainty by risking default again within only a matter of months and as S& P stated, increase the chance of a downgrade. By ensuring a debt limit increase of at least $2.1 trillion, this deal removes the specter of default, providing important certainty to our economy at a fragile moment.
- Mechanism to Ensure Further Deficit Reduction is Designed to Phase-In Beginning in 2013 to Avoid Harming the Recovery: The deal includes a mechanism to ensure additional deficit reduction, consistent with the economic recovery. The enforcement mechanism would not be made effective until 2013, avoiding any immediate contraction that could harm the recovery. And savings from the down payment will be enacted over 10 years, consistent with supporting the economic recovery.
- More than $900 Billion in Savings over 10 Years By Capping Discretionary Spending: The deal includes caps on discretionary spending that will produce more than $900 billion in savings over the next 10 years compared to the CBO March baseline, even as it protects core investments from deep and economically damaging cuts.
- Includes Savings of $350 Billion from the Base Defense Budget – the First Defense Cut Since the 1990s: The deal puts us on track to cut $350 billion from the defense budget over 10 years. These reductions will be implemented based on the outcome of a review of our missions, roles, and capabilities that will reflect the President’s commitment to protecting our national security.
- Reduces Domestic Discretionary Spending to the Lowest Level Since Eisenhower: These discretionary caps will put us on track to reduce non-defense discretionary spending to its lowest level since Dwight Eisenhower was President.
- Includes Funding to Protect the President’s Historic Investment in Pell Grants: Since taking office, the President has increased the maximum Pell award by $819 to a maximum award $5,550, helping over 9 million students pay for college tuition bills. The deal provides specific protection in the discretionary budget to ensure that the there will be sufficient funding for the President’s historic investment in Pell Grants without undermining other critical investments.
- The Deal Locks in a Process to Enact $1.5 Trillion in Additional Deficit Reduction Through a Bipartisan, Bicameral Congressional Committee: The deal creates a bipartisan, bicameral Congressional Committee that is charged with enacting $1.5 trillion in additional deficit reduction by the end of the year. This Committee will work without the looming specter of default, ensuring time to carefully consider essential reforms without the disruption and brinksmanship of the past few months.
- This Committee is Empowered Beyond Previous Bipartisan Attempts at Deficit Reduction: Any recommendation of the Committee would be given fast-track privilege in the House and Senate, assuring it of an up or down vote and preventing some from using procedural gimmicks to block action.
- To Meet This Target, the Committee Will Consider Responsible Entitlement and Tax Reform. This means putting all the priorities of both parties on the table – including both entitlement reform and revenue-raising tax reform.
- The Deal Includes An Automatic Sequester to Ensure That At Least $1.2 Trillion in Deficit Reduction Is Achieved By 2013 Beyond the Discretionary Caps: The deal includes an automatic sequester on certain spending programs to ensure that—between the Committee and the trigger—we at least put in place an additional $1.2 trillion in deficit reduction by 2013.
- Consistent With Past Practice, Sequester Would Be Divided Equally Between Defense and Non-Defense Programs and Exempt Social Security, Medicaid, and Low-Income Programs: Consistent with the bipartisan precedents established in the 1980s and 1990s, the sequester would be divided equally between defense and non-defense program, and it would exempt Social Security, Medicaid, unemployment insurance, programs for low-income families, and civilian and military retirement. Likewise, any cuts to Medicare would be capped and limited to the provider side.
- Sequester Would Provide a Strong Incentive for Both Sides to Come to the Table: If the fiscal committee took no action, the deal would automatically add nearly $500 billion in defense cuts on top of cuts already made, and, at the same time, it would cut critical programs like infrastructure or education. That outcome would be unacceptable to many Republicans and Democrats alike – creating pressure for a bipartisan agreement without requiring the threat of a default with unthinkable consequences for our economy.
- The Deal Sets the Stage for Balanced Deficit Reduction, Consistent with the President’s Values: The deal is designed to achieve balanced deficit reduction, consistent with the values the President articulated in his April Fiscal Framework. The discretionary savings are spread between both domestic and defense spending. And the President will demand that the Committee pursue a balanced deficit reduction package, where any entitlement reforms are coupled with revenue-raising tax reform that asks for the most fortunate Americans to sacrifice.
- The Enforcement Mechanism Complements the Forcing Event Already In Law – the Expiration of the Bush Tax Cuts – To Create Pressure for a Balanced Deal: The Bush tax cuts expire as of 1/1/2013, the same date that the spending sequester would go into effect. These two events together will force balanced deficit reduction. Absent a balanced deal, it would enable the President to use his veto pen to ensure nearly $1 trillion in additional deficit reduction by not extending the high-income tax cuts.
- In Securing this Bipartisan Deal, the President Rejected Proposals that Would Have Placed the Sole Burden of Deficit Reduction on Low-Income or Middle-Class Families: The President stood firmly against proposals that would have placed the sole burden of deficit reduction on lower-income and middle-class families. This includes not only proposals in the House Republican Budget that would have undermined the core commitments of Medicare to our seniors and forced tens of millions of low-income Americans to go without health insurance, but also enforcement mechanisms that would have forced automatic cuts to low-income programs. The enforcement mechanism in the deal exempts Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare benefits, unemployment insurance, programs for low-income families, and civilian and military retirement.
The nail to the coffin...... GOP will decide its not worth the paper its written on .....
Cheer
Debt ceiling: It's not over until the vote
Leaders of both parties had agreed that any deal to raise the debt ceiling should include long-term spending reductions to help control spiraling deficits. But they differed on both the timetable and requirements tied to certain cuts.
The agreement includes upfront spending cuts in the range of roughly $1 trillion. A special congressional committee would recommend additional spending reductions no later than Thanksgiving.
If Congress fails to approve the recommended cuts, automatic, across-the-board cuts -- including both defense and Medicare -- would take effect.
Stocks are expected to start the week with a relief rally after President Obama announced late Sunday that a bipartisan deal had been reached on the debt ceiling.
Stocks: Beyond debt and onto jobs
teeth53 thot: Expected to weaken, then follow by either a mild recession and or QE 2.5. print more money
The
Republicans are taking America by
hostage and they have to release the grip sooner or later. This cannot
go on forever, given the DOW has dropped a lot over the past 1 week. Eventually
it has to be resolved. After that, the traders will have another
storyline to play the market.
If one
already has 10K in the market, one may take out 5k now and keep the rest till
after 2 Aug. If one has 10K to spare, one may put in 5k now and keep 5k after 2
Aug. It is a 50-50 chance on either side. Of course, one can also adopt a
ALL or NOTHING approach. Good Luck.
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The nation's top lawmakers and President Obama announced late Sunday they have reached a deal to raise the debt ceiling and dramatically curb federal spending.
" I want to announce that the leaders of both parties, in both chambers, have reached an agreement that will reduce the deficit and avoid default," Obama said Sunday night.
Obama said that while the process was messy, and had taken far too long, the nation would, in the end, avoid a costly default and economic catastrophe.
A short time before Obama spoke, Sens. Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell said that a framework had been agreed to.
" We can assure the American people tonight that the United States of America will not, for the first time in its history, default on its obligations," said McConnell, the top Republican in the Senate.
The announcements capped a frantic weekend of negotiations between congressional leaders and Obama administration officials.
But Obama cautioned that lawmakers' work was not done, and asked rank-and-file members of Congress to support the measure.
Obama: We have a deal
iPunter ( Date: 01-Aug-2011 08:48) Posted:
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Inche mencakap betul...
(You are right) zhixuen ( Date: 01-Aug-2011 08:05) Posted:
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Tak da takut mana ada perluang?
iPunter ( Date: 31-Jul-2011 14:48) Posted:
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PS ... this one just in-case ....
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Aftershock-book-predicts-economic/2011/07/25/id/404782?utm_source=outbrain& utm_title=?Aftershock?-Book-Predicts-Economic-Disa
me think there is too many ifs and if not in the debt budget....... even if it end tonight, it only a beginning ...
just be careful
Cheer
lolx.... cannot tahan ...... have to go to sleep ....
must sleep good tonight. ..... prepare for tomolo....
now they said very very close liao......
The Senate's top-ranking Republican said Sunday that lawmakers are " very, very close" to an agreement to raise the nation's debt limit, as Congress works to meet an imminent deadline to stave off an unprecedented federal default.
The Senate was set to vote Sunday afternoon on the emerging plan -- a vote that may be pushed back as details are still being worked out.
A House GOP leadership aide said that " discussions are moving in the right direction, but serious issues remain."
" No agreement will be final until members have a chance to weigh in," the aide said.
same theatrics , same drama ...... wonder what behind the veil ....
Good nite...... and good dream
Cheer
U right :)
Just follow after the real news is the safest.
This is a case of rumour a lots but not a single real news yet, all not sign and chop, just talk talk.
Just place your bet, no risk no gain. And in case got any kelong in the end no one knows.
This game by my bookies will be,
US debt Pass = 1 pay 1
US debt Fail = 1 pay 3
US debt Pass with downgrade(give 1 ball) = 1 pay 5
US debt Fail without downgrade( give many ball) = 1 pay 2000
Babama after deal laugh = 1 pay 2
Babama after deal cry out = 1 pay 1000
White house after deal gang fight like WWF No mecry = 1 pay 5000
Just place your bet :)